UGH - The BIG question! Since nobody has been able to give me a
concrete, objective
method to determine fame - either BEFORE or AFTER a celeb's death, then this will forever be a gray
area always open for controversy.
What I'm currently doing is asking people in good faith to only put people that
they TRULY feel are famous on their lists. If the name is not familiar to me, I
should be able to confirm it very easily on google. If I have to do a big
internet search for the person, then that is a good sign that the celeb is
lacking in fame. However, just because I CAN find somebody easily does not
necessarily mean that they are famous enough. Basically you should be able to
say to somebody "Hey - did you hear that XXX died?"; if they say "Who's
that????", then the person might not be famous enough. Now granted, this still
falls under the auspices of how well your acquaintances know all of the
celebrities that YOU are familiar with. That's why, in the end, all that I (as
the DP maintainer) can do is go by my own gut feeling. Believe me when I say
that NOBODY wishes that there was a formalized list of rules to follow more than I
do!
I've tried a number of different methods to give the players some guidelines.
One of the earliest ones was one that I borrowed from other deadpools - using
the AP. However, my experience has shown that
- it takes pretty much NO level of fame to get an AP obit
- finding a consistent source of easy-to-retrieve AP obits is very difficult
- using an obit as a measure of fame would require the game to have a way of disqualifying
picks for insufficient fame after the game started, and we don't have that at this time.
CLARIFIED for 2008! Note that in past years if a person was deemed "famous enough" at the beginning of the game, then they maintained that
status until the end of the game. That is no longer the case - see below for FAME DISQUALIFICATION
Fame definition:
A notable personality who is accomplished in their field. It is not necessary for them to be a household name - they can be known better for their works. In short - you should be able to describe the person by a simple phrase or word and have most anybody else know who you are talking about.
Fame guidelines:
In order to be considered "famous enough", an individual must:
- Have national (U.S.) recognition, not just regional
- Not famous for being sick or still being alive
- Not famous merely for being the relative of a celebrity
- Be an adult (18+)
Waiting for a child to die would stretch what little amount of taste resides in this game
With few exceptions, the following are all considered fair:
- Members of the Halls of Fame of Baseball, Football, Basketball and Hockey
- Any athlete currently playing at a major professional league level
- Any Academy Award winner for best Actor/Actress (including Supporting) or director
- Any MAJOR party presidential candidate (past or present)
Criminals - for the most part, allowed if their case has been in the media spotlight long enough. Note that the person will be disqualified if executed.
Note that these are just guidelines to help both of us come to a consensus about an individual's fame status.
Fame disqualification: New for 2008!!!
In years past, there was no mechanism in place to remove a person from a player's list after the start of the game if it was determined that the pick did not, in fact, have sufficient fame upon their death. Starting in 2008, we have that now. If a person's death occurred more than 7 days before SUFFICIENT media coverage of their death, then that person will be disqualified, and no points will be awarded. In this event, you will NOT be allowed to substitute another pick - you'll just be down one against everyone else.
There has been much grumbling in years past about the fame definition, I don't expect the above to eliminate that - I'm just hoping that it will keep it down to a minimum. Please remember that I'm the decider when it comes to questions of fame - if you think that my definition is too loose or too tight for you, then perhaps you'll feel more comfortable in another dead pool. I'm not trying to drive anybody away - I just want everyone to have a good time and not get so bent out of shape about this.